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2 hours ago by drcongo

One of my favourite series in art is Yves Klein's blue work. For anyone unfamiliar, he found a blue that he considered the bluest possible blue [1], and went on a journey painting everything in that blue. I loved that he did this, and then eventually managed to get to an exhibition of his work at the Tate Modern and was absolutely blown away by it - it really needs to be seen in the flesh to appreciate it. There's something about his blue, that when painted on to a sculpture, almost makes the 3D disappear and the sculpture looks 2 dimensional. Extremely beautiful.

As a side note, some (many?) cultures around the world have no word for blue, blue is just other shades of green.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Klein_Blue

an hour ago by selestify

As someone who hasn't seen it in the flesh yet, and doesn't "get" modern art unless someone explicitly spells it out for me, could you elaborate more on why it's so spectacular?

For example, Blue Monochrome [1] seems to my uneducated eye to be just a layer of pure blue that every wall painter recreates every time they paint a wall blue. Why is the Blue Monochrome piece more than just a wall painted blue?

[1] https://www.moma.org/collection/works/80103

an hour ago by WhompingWindows

Consider the time period and the historical context. It's modern times, Cold War is occurring, and WW1 and WW2 left scars across Western Europe and caused major changes in the art world, including being a boon to abstraction and fragmenting styles into many eclectic directions.

Chemistry has DRASTICALLY altered painting from the Renaissance to the World War era. New pigments have been constantly highlighted and displayed in artwork. Finally, an insanely blue blue has been invented, bluer than any other blue paint in the past.

The artist highlighted above attempts to showcase the new technology in its purest form. Though, despite this strive for purity of blue, the application is inherently uneven. If you look into the painted canvas up close, you will see imperfections and patterns in "just a wall". It's also a statement, it may cause reactions and cause viewers to question the boundary between art and not-art.

It's not my cup of tea compared to masterworks of Van Gogh or Homer or any of the legendary painters, but art goes through many phases and is used to express many different ideas. What I do think is bonkers is that modern artists (who are well-connected) may be paid millions of dollars for these works, which to me don't showcase skill and talent, but which reward creative ideation and concepts.

an hour ago by jdmichal

> Finally, an insanely blue blue has been invented, bluer than any other blue paint in the past. The artist highlighted above attempts to showcase the new technology in its purest form.

I was thinking something along these lines. Based on the first Wiki article, Klein was involved in developing this pigment. If so, the work stands on the merits of that achievement alone. He was, for that moment, literally the only person in the world that could have created that painting.

19 minutes ago by pjc50

Klein blue is outside the color gamut that can be represented on normal monitors, so it's physically impossible to get the full impact of it through a picture. It just looks .. deeper.

There are a few flowers that have this property; fuscias, and others with strong UV fluorescence.

an hour ago by jessejmc

Don't know about Yves Klein specifically but remember seeing this video from Vox:

"Why these all-white paintings are in museums and mine aren't" [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aGRHOpMRUg

11 minutes ago by ameetgaitonde

I like to wander around art museums, and on one visit, I shared a gallery with what seemed like a private tour group.

One woman was conducting the tour for three people, when they stopped at one of these all-white paintings.

She was describing the potential meaning behind the work, and noted that sometimes the artist expresses textures, or covers some background work.

It's hard to describe, but I felt this sort of absurdist joy when I watched all four of them lean in very closely for half a minute, only to discover absolutely nothing unique about the work in its texture or color.

Maybe sometimes art isn't made for the observer, but the observer's observer.

2 hours ago by pier25

Great anecdote!

Reminded me of the short story Zima Blue by Alastair Reynolds (which was adapted into an animation short on Netlifx's "Love, Death and Robots").

an hour ago by agumonkey

funny how it's different when interpreted in biology limits

also how no art teacher ever told us about Klein's blue the way you did.. they simply used it as an authority figure

3 hours ago by crazygringo

I don't believe the blurred images at the end have anything to do with eye focus, as the author suggests.

After all, chromatic aberration is blurring of only a very, very small amount.

The demonstrated seemingly negligible perceptual effect of blurring blue to a huge degree in a multicolor image doesn't seem to have anything to do with that, but rather the fact that we perceive primary blue as a much darker color than primary red or green, and we perceive differences in lighter colors much more easily.

If the author were correct that we have big problems focusing on blue, then we'd see that blue text against a black background would be massively blurry -- but it's simply not. It's comparatively low-contrast (because blue is a dark color), but it's nearly indistinguishably as sharp as red and green.

2 hours ago by mrob

See the very low coefficients for the blue channel when converting (gamma-compressed) RGB to luma. E.g. the common Rec. 709 standard assigns only 0.0722 weight to blue.

  Y' = 0.2126R' + 0.7152G' + 0.0722B'

2 hours ago by codetrotter

Did you mean to respond to another comment in this thread where they were talking about YUV? Your comment does not make much sense to me here but would make more sense to me there.

2 hours ago by mrob

Luma is an approximation of perceived brightness. All the conversion formulae weigh blue substantially less than the other primaries. This supports crazygringo's assertion that "we perceive primary blue as a much darker color than primary red or green".

2 hours ago by anamexis

It makes sense to me here - GP discusses how we see perceive blue as a dark color, and parent comment corroborates that with a low luma coefficient for blue.

2 hours ago by crdrost

I'm not sure you're right. At night both I and my wife have reported difficulty reading glowing blue signs compared to glowing red/green signs at the same font size, brightness, and distance.

I'm also not sure that the author is correct; the wrong-focal-distance explanation seems rather weak simply because our focal length is adjustable.

2 hours ago by jbluepolarbear

You have astigmatism. I have a similar issue with blue when not wearing my glasses. I have 20/20 vision, but my astigmatism makes it difficult to focus on certain things. A computer being a big one. Blue light blockers help, but with proper astigmatism correction I donā€™t need them.

2 hours ago by techrat

20/10 vision in one eye, 20/13 in another, no astigmatism.

Blue LEDs in clocks when viewed at night look completely fucked up.

2 hours ago by techrat

You're not alone. I normally have excellent night vision but seeing things in glowing blue, such as the clock on the coffee maker or the microwave, causes the digits to split like double vision and become blurry while everything else remains the same.

38 minutes ago by gcanyon

Iā€™d love to see the same comparison across a range of images.

an hour ago by jcoq

I agree. Further, almost all of the blue channel in this image is from the white clouds or nearly black water. There's no other major source of blue.

2 hours ago by abeppu

There's an optometry place in my neighborhood with a back-lit sign with big, blue block letters. And every time I walk by at night I note how fuzzy it looks.

I'm convinced this is an intentional troll. This optometrist knowingly picked a sign to make people momentarily question their vision.

2 hours ago by skunkworker

This happens every wintertime for me as blue string lights are put up, and they always appear ā€œfuzzyā€ compared to other colors.

35 minutes ago by abeppu

Do you also find that this effect is way more pronounced in recent years with LED string lights than colored lights many years ago? I think b/c LEDs are more monochromatic, I will notice a difference between my parent's extremely old string lights and newer sets.

an hour ago by smusamashah

I got dry eyes some time ago. Dryness gone but now I see starburst at night in headlights, neon signs and stars. Being unable to see stars as flickering dots anymore hurts me the most. Neon signs in particular if blue are totally whacky and unreadable until I go too close. I went to optometrist recently and they didn't understand why blue in particular and recommended a color blindness test which I obviously passed.

Now I understand why blue in particular. Damage is done, I wish I could take it back.

25 minutes ago by pionar

Wait, stars are flickering dots for most people?

3 hours ago by mdeck_

Blue LEDs and black lights show this effect very clearly. This is e.g. described much more succinctly in the top comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3c1qsg/why_do_b...

> 2 reasons: 1) You don't have the nearly as many short wavelength detecting blue cones as you do red and green in your fovea. 2) The angle of refraction is dependent on wavelength and short wavelengths get refracted more than relatively longer ones by your eye and therefore focus in front of your retina if you are myopic (nearsighted). The black lights are throwing off a ton of very short wavelength light and when coupled with the larger pupil you have in the dark it sets your eye up for a bunch of chromatic aberration. They should look clearer if you are hyperope or overcorrected in your myopic prescription, or if you view them at a closer distance.

3 hours ago by Someone

I would guess the deeper reason is that the sky is blue. That makes it more useful to have good vision in red and green.

If we needed good resolution everywhere, we might have had eyes optimizing for different colors, four eyes, etc.

Also, it isnā€™t as simple as this article describes. The human eye can vary its focal distance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accommodation_(eye)) over a larger range than the effect of color aberration, so the eye _could_ optimize for having optimal focus for blue light or vary that over time.

(https://www.osapublishing.org/josa/abstract.cfm?uri=josa-68-... indicates humans can learn to do that in the lab)

2 hours ago by crowbahr

What's funny is that most mammals can't distinguish between red & green.

For example: the reason why tigers have red camouflage is that their prey cannot distinguish them from the background green of the forest, combined with the fact that mammals cannot create green pigment for their fur (yet).

24 minutes ago by maddyboo

Could this be a factor in why we didnā€™t evolve to see a wider range of wavelengths?

Is the visual spectrum just barely within the range that our brains can correct for the diverging focal lengths without needing additional lenses or modifications to the eye?

3 hours ago by briefcomment

The second to last demonstration blows my mind. I can't help but feel like I'm being duped, the result is so sharp.

3 hours ago by enriquto

i guess with red you get a similar effect. The green channel is the one that affects most the perceived intensity. If you blur the green everything becomes blurred.

3 hours ago by atishay811

This is amazing to see. We should use this for image optimization. When we compress channels, we should compress the blue channel to like 30% while keeping others at fairly large 80% and it might appear better than a 60% compressed image.

2 hours ago by MaxBarraclough

As triclops200 says, lossy image compression algorithms have long taken advantage of this. You might be interested in this page, Your Eyes Suck at Blue, which shows an image with the blue channel increasingly compressed:

https://gamesx.com/misctech/visual.htm

edit See also this counterpoint: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=573593

3 hours ago by triclops200

We already do and have done historically. The most obvious example I know of is that 8bit color uses 3 bits for green and red and 2 for blue.

2 hours ago by _0ffh

For some time many graphics cards had a 16 bit "hi-color" mode with 5:6:5 bits for RGB (SVGA, etc.). Most graphics card modes that used only 8 bits per pixel used that value as an index into an 256x(8x3) bit color palette (MCGA, VGA, etc.).

3 hours ago by nimish

That's chroma subsampling, most commonly 4:4:4 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 where this principle is used

3 hours ago by trollbridge

Thatā€™s exactly why images tend to be compressed in a YUV colour space instead of an RGB one.

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